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Special thanks to  Kiran Lightpaw for opening up my mind.




So there seems to be an issue that is still ongoing in the Deviantart Community. Whether these deviants are mentally challenged in their minds or just punk ass children seeking for trouble is another question, but as of now,  I am going to take these deviants seriously and assume that they actually believe in things such as National Socialism and Equal Respect. After all, telling people to kill themselves, encouragement of the fetish of hanging people, and worshiping the anti-christ, you would think that you'll get away with something such as this correct?

Well, that depends.

More into detail though, this journal is mostly based on the increase of trolling and antisocial behavior that is continually spreading at a rapid pace on this website. I've seen many..many people discussing in journals or even confronting me about the term of ignoring the troll, and for now I want to discuss 
specifically about that perspective.

I've been on this platform long enough to grasp and sniff mostly the entire structure of this website, and let me just say this:



You will encounter trolls. No matter how much you will try to hide away from them or ignore them on the internet.



And then there's the common knowledge that you should "never feed a troll". I used to believe this, but now I'm starting to question this logical statement.

Let's just say this: "ignoring them" is how our community has been so fucked up in the first place.

I can't think of any community or fandom or social media where this statement has EVER actually worked. And the start of that conflict is that trolls are doing it for attention and thus by taking the attention away from them they'll just go away, correct?

No. It's a huge and widely known misconception that even the administrators of this place don't quite understand, which is extremely disappointing on their part. (Considering that they are adults)

Trolls exist just to take a shit on things. NOT for attention. While yes, giving them attention is quite a bonus, they're mostly social grievers. A true troll enjoys causing others grief, pain, and misery, and often do that as a living, not just online. Any attention that they get is just the gravy on their mashed potatoes on Thanksgiving. They exist basically to piss off others and disrupt their lifestyle or decisions. The joyfulness of tormenting others is actually an act of rebellion in which fuels them even more to ruin other people's days. That is what's fueling them, not attention, no matter how negative they may be. And that's quite sickening itself.

Here's an example for those who still don't understand: Say, a rebellious teenager struts into your yard, then takes a huge dump on your lawn that you have just cutted. Then at night the guy starts playing drums at 3 am in the morning, waking up everyone in the neighborhood. The same kid one day got right up to your face and pushed you, screeching every time you open your front door.

Then would you say "Just block em, they won't bother you anymore. That's what the block button is for. If they keep coming back then just block em again."



No, of course, considering that you'll either straight up call the authorities or whoop his ass yourself.

So why do you expect any online community to be any different?



Expecting EVERYONE to ignore trolls or REAL attention seekers who are causing chaos to the whole community is asking too much of humanity to clean their shit together repeatedly. The increasing of trolls is just like the increasing of natural or horrible disasters on this planet, and every 40 seconds someone commits suicide or starves to death in a poor country, so are you gonna tell Mother Earth: "Just ignore it sweetheart! We'll take care of it and clean you up once every year and not everyday because we love Earth Day!"

Yeah..unlikely..and this sadly isn't an exaggeration anymore so to speak.

What I'm trying to say is someone's gonna lose their mind because defending yourself is a human instinct and boom. Troll target sighted. You are asking everyone to go out of their way to ignore a few people instead of punishing the people who are actually causing the problems. Blocking is fine, but if they come back and the admins can't do their job right then who's gonna clean up the mess? Us deviants (But we can't because we don't have admin powers). And it's now becoming as responsibility that we most likely don't have time for. (Since we have our own lives to take care of aswell, not just administrators. We're human beings, not bots.) And unfortunately it's also becoming a huge conflict that can't ever be solved. It's just too much drama on this site, and it's disgusting. But the website doesn't give a shit no matter how little they try to, they are still making the cash so sure, dump it on us to "handle" the problem by whining to the helpdesk.

But again, if you make this into a real-life situation, the government will be flushed down the toilet and the country will be the weakest thing on Earth, and based on our instincts as animals, the weakest will die and only the strong will survive. (Nuclear bombs and World Wars for dominance over other countries and all of that jazz. Destroying the human race out of fear and greed.)

You wouldn’t expect society to just tolerate a few people making life miserable for a larger community. (Ex: The Boston Marathon Bombing. 2 people did that. It may be a huge deal, but again, 2 people.) You punish the people causing problems, not the larger community by asking them to just tolerate it and ignore them. You'll go nuts worrying when the killer is gonna strike next, or the troll, so it seems, because people are tolerating him in their community thinking "Oh no, Jerry got killed, oh well let's ignore it."

Without fail, some of the communities that I've joined from Amino have the best moderation where any type of troll is not tolerated. They'll get IP banned real quick and they are not afraid to literally ban you from using the app entirely. That's how good they are. I'm not joking here, since I have never enjoyed a fun loving community who always accepted others and are respectful to each other and their point of views in YEARS. Miiverse used to be a good community until their recent restriction a few years back, but you get what I mean.

But these communities lasted, why? Because people want to be apart of the community to just chill and have some fun. And nobody was hurt or even dangered. I've rarely seen it, which is an extremely good sign.

Ignoring them does not work because they are not aiming for attention. They are not the same as attention seekers who actually fuel attention. Trolls and Attention Seekers are indeed different people, and you can tell those differences very easily, but since people can't explain or understand the true meaning of trolls, they'll just go with the most expected, which is indeed attention. And that's a nono to me. Their reward is the rebellion itself, how bad they get really get. How much they can push themselves to do negative behavior. It's the rush of rebellion that keeps them going. What do you expect from the rebels from Star Wars who never quit trying to fuck things up for The Empire?



Basically the true statement should be this: "Being bad never felt so good!"



And asking an entire community of people to just ignore a troll is likely asking too much of human nature. We are not evolved to handle aggressive people in our faces without responding, and it’s unreasonable to expect us to do, even online. We are evolved cavemen punching people's faces, but now verbally on the Internet.

Now as for fandoms, they aren't a single entity. It's an interest that people can gather and compare themselves to. It's difficult to enforce rules on people with just a single banhammer stating "Ha! You are no longer a brony, furry, etc." But that doesn't mean that we are COMPLETELY disarmed. The Internet is a dangerous place aswell. We can be predators, monsters even, things that we can never do in the public eye because of the government, which is like a huge moderation for the country. But some countries can't destroy certain rights that we are born with, and that can be a problem. Because of how abusive you can be with your rights. Because they are just a few that you can only have believe it or not and sometimes you can cherished them too much, and that you want more control, more power on people..

That's how a troll feels with rules. They hate them to death. And now you know why.

For those who run deviant groups, discord servers, Amino communities, etc, you should seriously consider whether you're asking too much of your own community to tolerate these pesky beasts. Consider whether you have a clear code of conduct that you are actually enforcing with regular commitment. (But don't be overly strict or enforce rules out of your own favoritism. Think of the community's safety first, not your worries or pet peeves. If more people have the same problem, then that's a different story.) Consider whether or not you are enforcing 
penalties for trolling and grieving, including banning toxic people from your communities and events. And yes, even us deviants can use the tools we have to get these trolls off of our pages. It's really okay to block or hide comments, no one will stop you from doing that, but again use your tools wisely, please.



The best course of action is to socially isolate these people until they are willing to obey the rules.



And shh don't be afraid to ban these people. Just do it. They are not adding anything to your community but are currently harming it. I'm talking to you Deviantart Administration. If they are living and breathing on YOUR platform, then they will represent you whether you want them to or not, and clearly people are catching up onto that. They love to whine, but the problem is these toxic deviants, not you and not your community. And that goes out to all of the communities and toxic people, not just trolls and fandoms.

After all, do you really want a new deviant's first encounter with fake suicider to be with a troll? One wrapped up in Putin-reminiscent regalia or something?

Remember my fellow members, trolls love to screech about their "freedom of speech" when confronted about their negative behavior. But freedom of speech does not apply to using it combined with abusive nature. You have every right to control yourself wisely and respectfully. If you don't like pricks or manipulative friends, you are under no obligation to allow them to participate in any of your deeds. Just block em.

The thing is the troll that is toxic to the community, not the other way around, and it's about time that we stopped insisting people to tolerate the toxic just because they are a deviant. There are over 4 million people on here, we can't let a few hundred thousand toxics slide and grow in numbers. Sooner or later they'll grow and grow the more you ignore em, and Deviantart will end up like 4Chan in the upcoming years if we don't pull our shit together.

Which brings me back to the trolls. I have doubts as to whether or not these fucks actually believe in what they believe, more likely they are just 
maladjusted people who have been taught wrong or was born mentally disabled, who have chosen this as their act of rebellious behavior, but people can always take their word for it. If you say that you are a Nazi and are committed into being a Nazi, then you are a Nazi regardless, but that's just the assumption talking.

Now, compared to 4 million people on this website to hundred thousands of trolls, it is a rounding error, but they are not going to define what Deviantart really stands for. They are not going to make this community their community, but they are extremely willing to break or grow it if they continue this behavior. 

If this community is gonna be welcoming at all, that means that the admins have to balance the needs of the many and the needs of the few. Having these people in the community can create a toxic 
environment for more people than they represent, to the point of leaving Deviantart because of drama, and admins are well aware of this, but they are not coping it properly. (It's losing you money believe it or not admins.)



So finally, it doesn't make any sort of sense money-wise to have these people around. So why do we keep falling back on the same tired excuses instead of doing the right thing and confronting these trolls head on?



The time of hiding behind the “just ignore them” excuse is simply overrated and over. It’s a huge fiddle for people who don’t want to have a confrontation with them. It doesn’t work and has never worked. Instead, we need to confront these trolls, and all trolls, head on and let them know that clearly that they are not welcome in our community, or any other communities, or our friggin lives for that matter. And if the admins won't step up, we should probably reconsider the whole "welcoming the new devaints" thing in our notifications. 

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BloodbathDAnightwing Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Mimi you are amazing this is amazing the font is amazing the song quote (that made me laugh) is amazing and true

amazing this is aw
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SonPikachuBound2006 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2017  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
This needs to be spread not just across DeviantArt, but the internet in general. Just because you block a troll doesn't mean they're gonna stop at what they do. Besides, they're persistent and will continue to find any other way to ruin your life.
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theagentofvenom Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2017  Student Writer
Faved, noted, and shared.
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Griffonmender Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The purpose of the ignore the troll statement is to discourage arguing with the troll, as once you argue with the troll, DA no longer considers whatever the troll initially said, nor any further comments, as "unwanted and unsolicited".

That being said, blocking, reporting, and banning also have to be done in order for the ignoring thing to do you any good- other way they're just still wandering about.


Speaking of the new deviants notification, I actually give every new deviant links to the helpdesk, copyright policy and DMCA form, along with explaining that this isn't photobucket.

I've actually stopped one potential art theft incident at the bud this way- the user took the infringing work down without any fuss and thanked me.
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Reixianx Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2017
  On the internet, you can type whatever shit you think
without second thought. It hurts emotionally and verbally.
 I'll take why nothing's a safe place here. 
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RainikaWerewolf13 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2017  Professional Traditional Artist
I agree with you :)

#MimiforAdmin
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PasteIwingz Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yee
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Bunnaroo Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2017
I have often pointed out that "Your right to swing your hand ends at the same place my nose has the right to exist."

The First Amendment allows us to say what ever one wants, but common sense, and common dignity, will reign in what we actually say. Of course, if you lack either of those, you deserve a few lessons regarding the appropriate behavior in certain situation.

Of course, this is $.02 from a Long Hare with two kittens under the age of 15....
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Mimi-Diggz Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2017  Student Filmographer
I have to agree with you there.

I wonder where that quote came from though, did you make it yourself? :0
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Bunnaroo Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2017
The one about swinging your hand? I've been using it for so long, I forget where I heard it. I vaguely remember hearing it as a teen-ager on a morning news show.
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Mimi-Diggz Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2017  Student Filmographer
mwhm that one. Sounds nice.
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TheGreenOreo Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Student General Artist
To comment on the Troll part:

You definitely have a point, But the point is blurred by the huge statements you compared it too, " if someone punches you in the face " This is online that we are talking about, people who " troll " in real Life do that, But it is Physical. Over the internet, It IS a lot easier, Although, your Point does although still stand.

The argument of trolls seeking attention is a 50/50 Argument, Yes, some trolls are out to ruin peoples' Days or internet lives. But it seems a lot of trolls also want attention, Again, It's a 50/50 Argument.

I hope it made sense, Although, You did still make an argument that made sense. I applaud you.   Clapping Hands 
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Mimi-Diggz Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Student Filmographer
I understand what is physical and emotional, but again it's an example that is a bit exaggerated, and i can see why. (Should have used something more comparable)

I have to agree though that it is indeed 50/50, but I just wanted to throw my two cents out there on how I view on this.

Thank you for your views though :0
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TheGreenOreo Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2017  Student General Artist
Aah Welcome.

Thank you for understanding and reasonably responding! <3
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Mimi-Diggz Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2017  Student Filmographer
Oh your welcome! :) I just wanted to see what views people had on this since its a subject that we should discuss on DA.
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SilverGlamorous Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Nawaji-Wolf Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thank you for making this journal. I think it needed to be made. And yeah "just block and ignore!!" really doesn't work with certain trolls. I tried that and the fucker mentioned me in status updates constantly until I responded.
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Kieran-and-Kayleb Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Eh not to quoet the TF2 Sniper but aslong as 2 people are left on the planet, someone is gonna want someone dead.
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Mimi-Diggz Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Student Filmographer
or produce more beings to kill each other :0
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Kieran-and-Kayleb Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Or that yea
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emilyldraws0303 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Student Digital Artist
i wish you were a admin and just ban the troll without second thought anyway
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SnowyTheSnowFox Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Student Digital Artist
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WvlfsBane Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I WISH YOU WERE AN ADMIN
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Galvantula866 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017
I do too.
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BopieDopie20 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Hobbyist
You are absolutely right Mimi.
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Kokkinosman9 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I remember seeing on a Youtuber's DA that some person (I sure was a troll) have put repeated comments about Hitler or something and an obscene gif image onto the person's Deviation comments. 
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natashaZM Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2017  Student Digital Artist
Wow, can we just make you an admin?Clap 
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PaperStash Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2017  Student General Artist
yes woo!
you just got that off my heart.
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ArticSteelz Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank god that you did this. I've been having problems with someone else (I'll let you know if you want) who is a troll. Thank you for posting this. You are a lifesaver
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SonPikachuBound2006 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2017  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Like this one fucker who was spamming racist shit on my page. All because of him, I had to make a new account.
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CJFairfield16 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 18, 2017  Student General Artist
I fully agree on this. Trolls are nothing more than troublemakers and assholes who need to be stopped by the any Staff of any website.
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topgun470 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Kinda a point I try to make. I'd prefer if people would just get the troll banned as quick as possible, however DA admins won't do their job
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